[SCADASEC] FWD 2 of 2.

Sun Feb 17 18:54:47 CST 2008

Bob,

I would propose that the post that started this has no business being on this list.

So, is there any community consensus in terms of a three strikes and your out (off) for this kind of thing?

Al McDougall

> -----Original Message-----
> From: scadasec-bounces at news.infracritical.com [mailto:scadasec-
> bounces at news.infracritical.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bodungen
> Sent: February-17-08 6:59 PM
> To: scadasec at news.infracritical.com; 'Bob Radvanovsky'
> Subject: Re: [SCADASEC] FWD 2 of 2.
> 
> Bob,
> 
> This post cannot be constructive and is apparently nothing more than a
> cheap shot at JP.  This list should not propagate nor condone the
> propagation of this thread and should be deleted ASAP.  Do you agree?
> 
> -Clint
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scadasec-bounces at news.infracritical.com [mailto:scadasec-
> bounces at news.infracritical.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bodungen
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:53 PM
> To: scadasec at news.infracritical.com; lericksen at sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: [SCADASEC] FWD 2 of 2.
> 
> Apparently someone else agrees this is not done with good intention.
> For JP's sake, this should be deleted from this list.
> 
> -Clint
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scadasec-bounces at news.infracritical.com [mailto:scadasec-
> bounces at news.infracritical.com] On Behalf Of Leif Ericksen
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: scadasec at news.infracritical.com
> Subject: [SCADASEC] FWD 2 of 2.
> 
> 	There were more I am just taking two of them this is the last
> one.
> 
> --
> Leif
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: beenthere at hush.com
> > To: full-disclosure at lists.grok.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] SCADA Security Corruption
> > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:11:28 -0800
> >
> > On Feb 17, 2008 10:28 AM, Ghost Rider <gh0str1d3r84 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > "After some offline discussion and a bit more research I agree that
> > the credibility doesn't seem very reliable.  It looks like it was
> > on a
> > (non-google) server archive where somebody was manually saving chat
> > archives.  Who knows... they could have been forged or manipulated.
> > The only way to know for sure would be to see the actual google
> > server archive."
> >
> > So what's the point, Ghostrider, other than character assassination
> > (or is that asinine-sasion)?
> >
> > Simply by highlighting what is at most dubious information, you
> > present it as fact and leave the rest to now-public conjecture.
> >
> > What is your relation to the guy?  Indeed, when were you
> > fired...and for what?
> >
> > Even if your grudge-specific accusation had a smidgen of truth,
> > exactly how many people sharing that name are in the US..or the
> > world for that matter?  If you goto:
> >  http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/namesearch.html  one can get a
> > pretty good idea how common the name is, and work the
> > statistics yourself...  Better yet, if I goto a search engine
> > starting with Za...I find 5 different people with the same name,
> > residing anywhere from beautiful Bakersfield, Ca to McCalla,
> > Alabama (don't forget your Banjo, pig, and slobbering 'Tard, 'ya
> > hear?).
> >
> > The odds seem to be...lacking, Ghostrider.
> >
> > What a nasty, spiteful and cheap way to air your grievance against
> > someone -- one can only hope the groundwork you're laying doesn't
> > come back to bite you, hard, when the Karma PoPo demand unfettered
> > access inside 'yer head.
> >
> > Let's be honest here, perhaps a rare, seminal event for 'ya --
> > you're not performing research, you're trying to throw this guy
> > under a bus, an inquisition by any other name -- and I'm calling
> > you out.
> >
> > Ghostrider, the question to everyone's answer is usually found from
> > within, and I hope the looking glass doesn't hurt too much when
> > it's pointed your way some day.
> >
> > -BeenThere
> >
> > p.s. Have you seen what the average SCADA admin looks like?  One
> > guy in these parts looks like he could have walked off the AC/DC
> > Tour Bus...and I must say, I can tell when he comes on shift 'cause
> > the lights burn just a little brighter.
> >
> > <-----cut---org message below------>
> >
> > On Feb 17, 2008 10:28 AM, Ghost Rider <gh0str1d3r84 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > I was trying to do a little research on SCADA security and I noticed
> > this one guy's name (Jonathan Pollet) kept coming up.  It seems he
> > is
> > one of the leading experts and it also looks like he is a Vice
> > President at Industrial Defender (www.industrialdefender.com).  It
> > looks like they are a leading SCADA security company.  Well through
> > my
> > Google searching I also came across an interesting archived Google
> > Talk chat with his name in it.  I guess not only is this guy a
> > leader
> > in SCADA Security it seems he is into drug trafficking also (pasted
> > below).  These are the people protecting critical networks like
> > power
> > grids and nuclear plants!?!?!?!
> >
> >
> > Chat with Jonathan Pollet show details 7/29/07
> >
> > Jonathan Pollet to me
> >
> >
> > (SNIP�)
> >
> >
> > 11:51 PM Jonathan: nice
> >
> >  speaking of drugs...ha ha
> >
> >  i felt weird asking you about that today
> >
> > me: yeah we'll have to hook up 'morrow
> >
> >  i don't care
> >
> > Jonathan: but I really didn't know where to turn
> >
> >  so thanks
> >
> > 11:52 PM me: yeah i have shady friends
> >
> >  lol
> >
> > Jonathan: I've got to figure out the best way to transport it
> > through
> > Chicago and onto Vegas
> >
> > me: oh shit you have a destination before vegas?
> >
> >  well don't put it in your checked bags
> >
> > 11:53 PM Jonathan: yeah that's what i heard too
> >
> > me: you'll have about an 80 to 90% chance of getting popped
> >
> > Jonathan: i was thinking of splitting all the flaps up
> >
> > me: best way is to tape it to your leg
> >
> > Jonathan: into different places in my laptop bad
> >
> >  bag
> >
> >  ah
> >
> >  cool
> >
> >  didn't think about that
> >
> > me: don't put it in ANY bag
> >
> >  if you get popped for a random search they can find it
> >
> > 11:54 PM Jonathan: can you have Ross break it up into small bagges
> >
> > me: yeah
> >
> > Jonathan: or paper flaps
> >
> >  just not foil
> >
> > me: it'll be tiny tiny ziplocks
> >
> >  you can tape those to your leg
> >
> > Jonathan: sweet
> >
> > 11:55 PM i can handle that
> >
> > me: chances of you getting strip searched is probably zero
> >
> > Jonathan: yeah, I've flown thousands of times
> >
> > me: chances of you walking past a drug dog is zero
> >
> > Jonathan: never strip searched at all
> >
> > me: yeah you'll be 100% safe taping it to you
> >
> > Jonathan: i've ran into a god before....but only going in and out
> > of canada
> >
> >  dog
> >
> > 11:56 PM me: i've never found god in an airport
> >
> >  :P
> >
> > Jonathan: haha
> >
> >
> > (..SNIP)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Study law at a school near you.  Click for more info.
> >
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